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Mar 17, 2013 3:00am PDT
and donilon talks about it and senator feinstein talks about it. the china loves to sign treaties, but don't honor any of them. remember the ripping off of dvd's and china was selling them on the streets. they said we're going to clamp down on copy right. and the name hackers, it bothers me, i think of somebody trying to get a bank account or information like that or trying to drive up traffic on a website, but they're trying to get state secrets. that doesn't sound to me like hackers. >> not only are they spies, but they're saboteurs going after critical infrastructure. the great 2003 blackout in the northeast, probably caused by a chinese hacker causing a cascade and a loss of power. and americans died in that. this is a serious issue. it's not just spying or hacking. >> during the heatwave we had folks dieing, the elderly. they're going off certain agencies and we know that microsoft has been infiltrated, apple has been looked at and google has pulled out of china in part because of this. what are they going after? >> they're going after everything, not just the national security establ
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